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December 20th, 2018 13:00

m15 R1, displays need to 'warm up'?

Hey all, It's been a couple of days since my last question so I thought it was time for another ! Just a query into something I've noticed on my new M15. I haven't had a Windows laptop before, so don't really have anything to compare the M15 to, but I've noticed that for the first couple of minutes after the screen comes on, if there's any movement on the screen (moving a window, mouse cursor, Steam download page that shows progress etc), my screen very subtly flickers. Take for example if I move the mouse cursor around the screen. For a split second at the very start of moving it, it's almost like the brightness of the monitor drops a level, but then immediately goes back to the correct level. Just a really quick flick. It only does this if the display has been off for a decent amount of time. If the display has just been to sleep for a few minutes before waking up again, it doesn't do it. It will do this each time something moves, and you can see it on the whole screen. Over the course of about 5 minutes, you can see it gradually stop doing this, to the point where eventually the screen no longer exhibits any flicker, and it will remain absolutely fine for as long as it's then on. It's really subtle, something I can only see if I'm on the windows desktop or have a darkish window open, like Steam. When theres a lot going on like actually in a game, it's too subtle to even notice. It's almost as if it's just taking the display a little while to 'warm up'. Is this normal behaviour of laptop IPS screens? Just to note, there's no way for me to get a screenshot showing this to explain further what I'm seeing, and it's too subtle to show up on a video. Regards

  • jphughan

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    Posted December 20th, 2018 17:00

    Pretty much all LCD displays have been using LED backlighting for quite a while now, and LEDs do not have a warmup period.  Older LCD displays that used CFL backlights could indeed take some time to warm up before reaching optimum contrast, color reproduction, etc.  I'm not sure how to account for what you're seeing.  I suppose it could be some other aspect of the display electronics, but it would not be a literal "warmup" period.

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    Posted March 14th, 2021 08:00

    Just wondering if you found anything out regarding this?

     

    I am having the exact same experience on a new Alienware M17 R3, your post describes my experience exactly and my concern is that there's an underlying hardware issue causing this that may fail later.

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    Posted March 14th, 2021 10:00

    @ejn63  the data connection of the laptop screen is organised to refresh the screen panel in square zones or tiles. 


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    Posted March 14th, 2021 10:00

    Consumer LCD screens are made from two sheets of glass coated with a very thin layer of a conductive material -- one front, one back.  They are in no way made from "individual tiles". It doesn't matter if it's a 4" screen in a phone or an 80" screen on a television set -- the glass is two pieces the size of the screen.  These are surrounding a layer of liquid crystal material.  That may become more sluggish at very low temperature, but well outside of normal operating temperatures.  They are also surrounded on the edges by solder traces that may also be subject to temperature expansion and contraction.  Under normal circumstances, you should not see large fluctuations in image quality - certainly not within the design parameters of the screen's operating temperature, which is usually from well below zero C to about 80 C.

    Though the post above is in error as to how an LCD functions, if the panel is showing fluctuations and the system is under warranty, ask for a panel replacement.

     

     

     

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    Posted March 14th, 2021 10:00

    Hi @ejn63 there are many articles on the internet. Please share an update. Thank you. 


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    Posted March 14th, 2021 10:00

    I'd like to see a scientific reference for that claim.

     

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    Posted March 14th, 2021 10:00

    Hi @Whokam  @Lihp8270  laptop systems require to organise their operating system when switched on, see Task Manager activity. This does not last long, but ideally users should wait for a low activity level before using the laptop. However, laptop's screen panel has almost instant availability, and there is no warm-up or flicker.

    The screen panel is made from tiles, so it you see a large square area flickering, the screen panel might have a manufacturing fault that cannot be fixed. Dell recommends running the LCD built-in self-test (BIST) on a laptop. If a problem is revealed during BIST, use an external camera to record and provide evidence, then raise a fault ticket so that Dell Product Support can fix this problem. 

    When the new system is delivered, BIST should always be part of the user's check and acceptance process, within the first 30 days from invoice date. 

    If the screen flickers when the lid is moved, a cable reseat may be required. 


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    Posted March 14th, 2021 11:00

    If there are, by all means, please supply the link.  Every LCD matrix I've ever seen is a line device, not "tile" device, which is why one common mode of failure is for a single line of transistors to fail. That usually happens when one row of transistors sees a circuit fault at the edge connector. The image is sent across the width of the screen -- not in "zones" or "tiles" -- at least not in any commonly used engineering of LCDs I've seen.

    It is possible for LCDs to go dark at the edges, where they're subject to higher temperatures, but I've never seen an LCD engineered into "tiles".  Even light bleed generally results from physical effects at the edges of the screens -- and doesn't extend very far into the screen itself.  

     

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    Posted March 14th, 2021 11:00

    Hi @ejn63  thank you for the invitation. I know the answer, so decline your invitation. Thank you. 


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