I have tried everything to fix it and nothing permanently fixes this known hardware issue. I paid $3000+ for this laptop and now it is useless. Dell, never again!
@ava10 Thanks Ava10. I have a second laptop and it had strange issues XPS13 and I update the BIOS and it made a complete mess of the machine. I'm nervous of that.
It just makes no sense to me that the machine can both work and not work properly in terms of charging depending on how it shuts off.
That seems more like a software issue than a hardware one.
I'm not a bit fan of USB-C ports - I think its a weak design easily broken. They seem to be in working condition on this laptop.
I can see why people just pay extra and get an Apple - it works with far less issues.
I'm about 20 years buying Dells and everyone of them let me down eventually.
@uguryilmaz Thanks - yes it seems to be at less not uncommon or rare. I see many posts on similar issues with not actual answers directly addressing it.
I can charge the battery on this laptop by taking certain steps. If I don't - it won't.
This is rubbish really. It can't simutaneously be working properly and not. That's just bad engineering or software.
I understand why people just say pay the extra and buy an Apple - Far less issues.
Once your machine have the following symptoms, it is related to the WiFi chip firmware issue against Dell's ACPI parameter inside the BIOS, probably Qualcomm Killer QCA6390 (branded as AX500S), not Intel Killer edition. 1. Machines wake up after S3 / suspend, no matter it is triggered by Windows timer or user operations. 2. Machines is idle too long and the WIFI tries to draw huge power suddenly.
You will see an error log inside BIOS stating "Power Off - ASF2 force off". Then, the power led blinks with error color code (orange) and the mainboard refuses to charge the battery from AC adapter. I have seen many cases of replacing big battery, AC adapter, same Qualcomm edition mainboard and no improvement.
It is neither the big battery, CMOS cell (no such thing on 9500), nor AC adapter problem, nor overheat. Don't be mislead. How come a cool wake up machine got heat? If you play 3D games and the keyboard is hot, such problem disappear. This power failure is caused by WIFI setting in BIOS ACPI table.
You guys may see a yellow exclamation mark on Windows battery and BIOS Diag said no charger is detected. It is because the system board blocks the charging once she thinks there is a power problem.
How to make the battery charge again?Unplug the AC adapter, boot Windows with battery only. Then the power failure lock mechanism will be cleared on the mainboard. Then you can plug the AC adapter again and do charging. However, power management problem will occur again some time later.
I asked Dell Support to fix it many times but they rejected my requests. They want me to prove and provide solution to them, work at free. Very non-sense. The recent revision of BIOS like v1.31 make the problem worse, more frequent. They tried to change some setting but in vain.
You have three choices to workaround. 1. Ask Dell to replace mainboard with an Intel Killer edition. The Intel one is newer because Intel acquired Killer that year and no more Qualcomm chip is purchased, resulting in bad support.
2. Disable Qualcomm WiFi inside BIOS, but not Qualcomm Bluetooth. Such device IRQ does not exist and then Windows won't bother it. It is transparent to Windows. (Although Bluetooth and WiFi are on the same QCA6390 chip, they are in different bus type control interface. The BT part has no problem in ACPI table). The, you have to buy a stand alone USB WiFi instead :(
3.Keep pushing Dell to fix it. Eliminate the source of generating wrong power management signals. Actually, I have asked Qualcomm before. She said she has delivered firmware updates to vendor customers regularly (DELL) but Dell refused to adopt / release. The story becomes much more complicated now since Intel bought the whole Killer and made her as a child department.
P.S. This Qualcomm WIFI power management issue doe not only occur on XPS 15 9500, all XPS series with such design also suffer. Similar power management issue is also happened on Asus laptops but her victim is Mediatek WIFI chips. (Yes, Asus finally fixed it by effort in BIOS/firmware)
@Morgan Wong Hi, i've tried with your solution but unfortunately it still not working. I've disabled wifi from bios, and i've used the laptop with a usb-wifi, but i'm still having same trouble. Power charge problems (sometimes it charge, sometimes don't) and randomly reboot. Another issue is that sometimes, when I turn off the PC, it restarts instead of shutting down.
The laptop is practically unusable, and it's crazy to think that it's a €3000 PC.
@Morgan Wong This is absolutely true with respect to what you said with the whole rebooting the machine. It works and then again after sometime, it disables. I guess the only work around is that, and perhaps turning off killer options in startup. Also, probably another option is to turn off wifi whenever not using the laptop. Pain in the neck. So much for a costly laptop and bad support.
Yeah this problem will affect most 9500s eventually. Replacing the motherboard should fix it, but it will reoccur - it's likely a hardware fault with one of the components in the power subsystem causing a reboot when there is a load spike. Disabling Turbo Boost helps, but is not really a solution.
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The new battery not resolving the charging issue suggests the problem might lie elsewhere. Here are some steps to try:
Reset Power Connections:
Check the Power Adapter:
Update BIOS:
Hardware Diagnosis:
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