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February 12th, 2005 16:00

Raid 0 on XPS Gen 4

I'm about to buy a Dimension XPS Gen 4 and am tempted to choose the 320GB RAID 0 option for the hard drive.  I don't know much about RAID 0, other than the fact it will be faster than having a single hard drive (which is all I've ever used in the past).
 
Does the XPS Gen 4 motherboard have a RAID controller built in, or does it use a PCI card?
 
If I should need to format and re-install, would I need to do anything different to set up the RAID array, or does everything just work as if it is a single hard drive?
 
I'm a little concerned by the "no fault tolerance" mentioned in the FAQ.  Does that mean that it is *worse* in this respect than a single drive, or just that it doesn't mirror data like a RAID 1 array does?

Message Edited by Ant2005 on 02-12-2005 12:36 PM

  • ejn63

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    Posted February 12th, 2005 18:00

    The controller is onboard. RAID0 is somewhat faster than a single drive, but there are risks: if either drive fails, you lose the entire array, so your chances of data loss double vs. those chances with a single drive.

    The RAID array must be set up in the BIOS and you must load drivers before the XP installation begins.

    Note too that data recovery from a RAID 0 array is more difficult than it is with a single drive.
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    Posted February 13th, 2005 11:00

    Thanks for your reply.  I'm still a little unsure about the risks of RAID 0 compared to a single drive setup (if I have a single drive and it fails, I'll still lose all the data!).

    Other than the fact that there are two drives that can potentially fail instead of just one, and that all the data on both will be lost if that happens, are there any disadvantages to using RAID 0 instead of a single drive?

    Assuming that the drives don't die (which I never do - I regularly back up anything important), is there still a greater risk of data corruption using RAID 0?

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    Posted February 14th, 2005 03:00

    I think what most of us point out is with two drives carring the data, you have a 100% better chance of loosing your data.   A failure on 1 of the 2 will cause the whole RAID array to be lost, which basically looks like one Parition to the system. 
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    Posted February 19th, 2005 16:00

    I look at it this way:  say you've got 2 hard drives.  Now let's say they're not in RAID0 or RAID1.  Your chances of losing your data are pegged to whatever drive your data is on, failing.  If the drive with your important data fails, you're sitting at 100% chance of failure.  And if it never fails, you're at 0%.  If you're in RAID0, you're at roughly the same odds, only if one drive fails, you're automatically at 100% failure, and never at 0%.

    If you want safety, order it configured in RAID1.  This will be one drive mirrors the other, with a minor loss of perfromance over non-RAID drive performance.  If one drive fails, you've still got a copy.  Unless you accidentally reinitialize the wrong drive, in which case you're at 100% failure rate once again.  The Dell 925X-based boards support a 3rd HD serving as a "hot spare", which will rebuild the RAID1 set automatically if one of the 2 RAIDed drives fail.  (It would be great if they would support RAID5 but they don't)

    You can also configure "Matrix RAID" which I've never fooled with, but basically makes part of the 2-drive array RAID1, part RAID0.

    See http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_harddrive&message.id=79021#M79021

    My solution has been to perform image backups of my RAID0 array to a 3rd drive, using Acronis True Image version 8.0.  The initial image took 9 minutes to complete, and incremental images performed weekly take less than 2 minutes.  If my RAID fails, I can replace the faulty drive, then boot to a bootable CD that the Acronis program created, and very quickly restore the image file to the repaired array.

     

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    Posted February 22nd, 2005 22:00

    Thanks for a fast reply...my older hard drive is not a SATA.  Want the 74 GB WD Raptor to be my primary drive.
     
    Other way to connect my older hd would be through and external case and firewire.
     
    I've done a lot of work on computers, however I'm a bit ignorant when it comes to raid configurations and SATA drives etc. 
     
    It's OK to have the WD Raptor as the primary drive and not have a raid configuration? 
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    Posted February 22nd, 2005 22:00

    I too am purchasing a Gen 4 with 74 GB Western Digital Internal SATA Raptor HD.  Want to add my 120GB WD eide drive as second HD for storage only.  Is this possible?
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    Posted February 22nd, 2005 22:00

    Sure, it's possible.  There are 4 SATA connectors on the motherboard.
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    Posted February 22nd, 2005 23:00

    jspero,

    Oh, yeah.  You got the fast reply because I didn't read very carefully, and missed the EIDE designation.  The gen3/4 have one IDE channel, with 2 connectors.  If you have only one optical drive, then you can use the extra connector.  You'll have to find an adaptor to let you mount the HD in a 5 1/4" drive bay, or find an IDE cable with enough reach to connect to the drive mounted in the 3 1/2" bay.

    I like  the external/firewire concept, and you're correct to go with firewire versus USB 2.0

    If you find your firewire speeds a bit slow, check this article and patch out:

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222

    Good luck!

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    Posted February 22nd, 2005 23:00

    Thanks for the advice again.  So there is no conflict, if I can connect them onto the motherboard (one optical drive, one hard drive).  You can have a SATA drive and EIDE drive connected, and they will be looked as two separate drives?

    The other way I think I would go would be to purchase two SATA HDs and have them work independently.  Don't want to use a RAID arrangement, I think the increase in performance in using the WD Raptor will be fine.  And I don't want to take a risk of losing data.

    SATA drives can be installed and run independently, correct...Thanks again