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4600 Power Supply failure
Add me to the list of 4600 owners whose PSU failed (model HP-P2507FW, made in Thailand). The machine was new in September 2003, so I got more life out of it than some (21 months). But I have owned more computers than I can remember - including two 4600 C's currently - and I have never had a PSU fail. I sent a note to support referring to the comments on this forum and got the incredible response that "
there are no such known issues with the units that were shipped at that time." When I followed up with a note expressing my annoyance with that statement in light of all the posts on this forum, I got a follow up note from a supervisor again stating "
this is certainly not a known issue, though few people may have issue with the power supply of their system. The forums should not be taken as a generalized opinion and they represent the issue with only a few systems."
I replaced the failed unit with a $69.99 Antec TruePower 330 Watt/ATX12V. First time I ever did anything more than add memory to a computer. Ordinarily, my instinct would be to replace such a unit only with the Dell replacement part to be absolutely certain of compatibility. But I bought the replacement at a CompUSA store and deliberately not from Dell because of the response I got from support and the posts here. While at it, I bought a PNY 512 MB memory card, also for $69.99.
Some free advice for Dell. Dell, if you are listening, people who take the time to participate in your Community Forum are by definition among the most loyal customers you have. You are making a terrible economic choice when you alienate us with flat denials rather than acknowledging the problem and giving a credit for the failed units - for example, a credit towards the next purchase of a new Dell system. The actual cost of such a credit when put in the context of the profit from the sale of a new system is miniscule in comparison to the goodwill you would generate. The cost of such a credit is considerably less, I'm sure, than the many forms of promotion that you regularly offer. And if you tied the credit to the purchase of a replacement Dell PSU, I would bet that the cost of the credit would be offset by the profit on the new PSU. So you would probably have a "no-cost" way of responding to your loyal customers... and I am sure you could do it with appropriate language that would meet your lawyers' concerns of not admitting any legal responsibility for these units. In contrast, you are writing back to loyal customers with the wholly insulting statement that "there are no known issues" when it is demonstrably true by reading the posts. You are missing a very significant and essentially cost-free opportunity to generate enormous goodwill with your loyal customers. You are in the marketing business and you are failing to recognize a fundamental opportunity for building goodwill rather than destroying it. And you know well that the type of people who participate in forums such as these are the very same people that are sought out for advice on computers when their less technologically-engaged friends need help in deciding what to buy. There is a significant ripple effect to alienating these people... who then write posts to the community forum expressing their strong negative feelings for all to see. Someone is making a very big mistake.
So, because of an unwillingness to acknowledge problems with failed PSUs, you get a very disappointed loyal customer (I currently own 3 Dells at home and have used 2 in the past at work... and I will be buying 2 more computers for home use within the next 12 months, and I am responsible for buying 12 to 15 new computers in my office within the next 2 months. And I spent $140 on parts at CompUSA that would have been spent at Dell had you acknowledged some kind of "responsibility".
The plain fact is, rational or not, this single experience undermines my confidence in Dell and it will indeed make me wonder whether I should go elsewhere the next time I buy a computer. It is not the question of quality control. Rather it is the lack of treating this matter with appropriate responsibility and honesty at the technical support level.
Sincerely,
Deeply Disappointed Dell Customer
No Longer Automatically Looking to Dell For My Next Computer Purchase
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That must have been a bad year for those power supplies... I have two 4600 with two bad power supplies (or at least if it's not the power supplies... they both have major issues!!)
Although, It may have been related to a storm we had... but they both died about a week apart.
- I have to disagree to your post about quality. I worked for 5 years at a computer store that went out of business because of big companys like dell. We bent over backwards with ever costumer to make sure they where happy. To me costumer service was the most important thing because to us thats all we had to compete with. A power supply would have been no problem to replace. In fact we did have a problem with bad supplys at one point and I not only replaced the supplies in systems that where in (AND out of warranty) but I would do so even if the supply wasn't bad just because I knew that the supply had a high failer rate and I didn't want my costumer to have to deal with it. What did I get for that. Well I am out of work right now. The store went under because I guess Dell is Americas favroit PC right.
The fact is we could not compete with Companys like dell because of there huge advertising budget and to this day the systems I have built costumers are still running I know this because I work on them still. I have and will continue working on the side for the costumers that I have built systems for because they like me for 2 reasons. I will alwase support them and I refuse to build a cheap PC because to be the quality behind the computer is more important then the money in my pocket.
Keep this info in mind next time you buy a PC. Wile the store I work for is gone (South Pacific Systems in sacremento Ca.) there are many small computer stores that care about quality and are willing to bend over backwards to make there costumers happy. If these stores are not rewarded with your business for there honest work they will be gone.
Just something to think about. - The quality of Capacitors and Power supply Cooling fans has gone downhill for some time now.
Its not in the best interest of the Fan makers to have fans that last for 10 years or more.
Thats what happens with fans that are PRE-Oiled and have a bit of cloth or Felt with a rubber boot to keep the oil in. Ball bearings make no difference if the bearings are DRY bearings. The power supply runs for a long time with a failed fan until finally the fan just Gives up and Dies.
If you want things to last longer you must be proactive and PRE OIL your fans BEFORE they fail. hlmstech08
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Posted July 17th, 2005 15:00
The power supply for my D4600 just died today, it had been having problems, but I didn't think much into it until it wouldn't power on at all. I currently have 4 Dells and I was thinking about buying a new Inspiron, but now I'm not so sure due to the fact that I've also been having trouble with my Latitude CPx. I used to recommend Dells to everyone, should I start rethinking this?The broken PSU is an HP-P2507FW, you can replace them with a differet PSU from places like CompUSA?I believe, like wog, that since the number of people having problems is certainly not just one crazy person, the people with faulty power supplies should have some sort of reimbursement for this unfortunate circumstance. BTW, has anyone figured out why the HP-P2507FW is failing anyway?- I am not expert in these matters.... but others on the forum say that any standard ATX unit will do. I think you will find that there are a range of options, largely differing in the amount of power and, commensurately, the price. You can also order these things online, including from CompUSA.
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Posted July 17th, 2005 17:00
Well, I have another ATX power supply which I tried. The problem is, it didn't have the connector to power up the processor (the cable labeled P2 on my original PSU with two yellow and two black cables in it.) Do you have an IM screen name or anything? I think it would be easier to talk other than on the forums.

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Posted July 2nd, 2005 12:00
The rock-bottom prices on new systems have come at a cost - lowered/shortened support and lower product quality.