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November 30th, 2004 10:00

Replacement 8200 HD a slower spec?

Hello,
 
Had the original Seagate ST340016A drive replaced under warranty with a reman ST340014A.  Did a complete format, and loaded my backups.  My large picture folders now open MUCH more slowly, as does many other programs.  Defrag now takes forever to examine the disk and do its job.
 
I ran all the diagnostic tests, and no problems were found.  Perplexed by this situation,  I compared the specs of the two drives, and they are very similar, except for the internal and external transfer rates.  The ST340014A also lists a "sustained" rate, that the 16A does not. 
 
The old ST340016A was:
 
up to 555 Mbits/sec internal transfer rate
up to 100 Mbytes/sec external transfer rate
 
The "new" ST340014A is:
up to 85 Mbytes/sec internal transfer rate
up to 100 Mbytes/sec external transfer rate
sustained up to 58MB/sec
 
I see they juggle between Mbytes/bits/MB's, but the end result is that the drive seems slow as compared to what it replaced.  I have done numerous defrags, virus/adware scans, and all programs are the same as before the original HD failure.
 
I would appreciate your insight about how these drives compare, and if it warrants a request that Dell supply me with a drive that is of the same speed/quality as the one that died.
 
Thank you very much,
JF
 
 
  • ejn63

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    Posted November 30th, 2004 11:00

    The two drives are exactly the same speed.
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    Posted November 30th, 2004 15:00

    The ST340016A is a 2 head drive, it uses both sides of the platter.
    While the ST340014A is a 1 head drive, only using one side.

    If the physical layout of sectors per track were identical, then
    the 14A could potentially be half the speed of the 16A. Although
    optimization in the cache to take advantage of 2 heads is not
    perfect.

    I briefly looked at the specs on the Seagate web site. The drives
    are the same rotational speed, 7200 rpm. And the 16A has a slightly
    higher BPI (bits per inch) 595,000 vs 540,000 -- so you get 10%
    improvement there.

    So depending on how efficient the cache is I'd estimate the 14A
    to be 60-70% of the speed of the 16A.
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    Posted November 30th, 2004 16:00

    You're neglecting the fact that the data on the 80G/platter drive is packed twice as densely as the data on the 40G/platter drive. I'd guess the newer drive would be at least as fast as the old one, if not faster because of the increased areal density.
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    Posted November 30th, 2004 16:00

    The TPI is twice (94,600 vs 58,000), but that just means the tracks are
    closer together, which does help seek time. However, single head can
    only read one track at a time, and the density of each track (BPI) only
    increased 10% (595,000 vs 540,000).
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    Posted November 30th, 2004 18:00

    Since the heads on a dual-sided platter don't move independently, only one track at a time can be read there as well. The heads have a lot less ground to oover on a single-surface drive. The increased track density should also lead to lower latency as well.

    All in all, the two drives are about equivalently spec'd.
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    Posted December 3rd, 2004 00:00

    Independently moving heads? You might be thinking of the old Connor drives
    that did that.

    Temperature skew is the only reason multiple heads cannot be simultaneously
    used. And that's only an issue for drives with many platters. Definitely not an
    issue when using the 2 sides of a single platter. The email response I got
    back from Western Digital confirms it:

    "Multiple read/write head are used to increase performance
    of read and write access as they (all heads) have the ability
    to read/write on a specific data surface at the same time."


    Haven't heard from Seagate, but I assume they do the same optimization.

    Also in this case, having the tracks closer together doesn't change the
    track to track seek time, because most of that seek time is resync'ng the
    servos, not moving the heads. So the big win is reading large amounts of
    data sequentially, like when defrag'ng, because with a 2 head drive you
    can read twice as much data before moving the heads.
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    Posted December 3rd, 2004 11:00

    Thanks for the replies everyone!

    Drive still seems extremely slow as compared to the original.  For example, when I go to the defrag window, click "defragment", it's a full 20 seconds before the drive even starts its analysis (green progress bar), and then the actual defrag is very slow.  This is much slower than before, and for a 1.8 P4/512  RAM system, seems pathetic.

    I compared two computers from work. One is a P4 1.5/256 RAM, other was a P4 2.6/512 RAM and they were both much faster (WD caviar).  If it's not the HDD, what explains this unbelievably long lag to start disk defragmentation?

    Thanks again for the help.

    Jon