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January 30th, 2006 15:00

Freezing 3.6 GHz CPU

We've purchased two batches of Precision 370 workstations.  The first batch shipped with 3.6GHz CPU's.  We built up our standard image from a fresh install of the system.  Users began reporting that their systems were locking up randomly.  Internet Explorer would actually start to consume 99% of the CPU in most cases and you'd be unable to kill the iexplore.exe process, or any other process for that matter.  It would require holding in the power button to cause a hard reboot.  I spent quite a bit of time trying to diagnose the issue including updating drivers, BIOS, firmware, as well as doing a fresh install of XP (not using our system images), etc...  Nothing seemed to work.
 
A few months later we purchased some more only the 3.6 option was no longer available so we chose 3.4 instead.  Using the same image, these systems don't seem to have any problems whatsoever.  Out of pure curiosity I tried swapping out processors between the two types of systems.  So I swapped a 3.4 from an unused system into one of the 3.6 machines (EVERY 3.6 has this issue).  It's been 2.5 weeks now and the user has reported that they haven't had it freeze at all in that time.
 
So I have a few questions:
 
1) Is there a known issue with certain configurations using the 3.6GHz chip, at least in the Precision 370 model?
 
2) If not, I'm VERY curious why Dell chose to remove that model from their lineup.  Usually you offer faster processors a few months later, not slower ones.  It makes me wonder.
 
3) Is there any plausible reason to suspect something other than a faulty CPU?  I truly suspected it was just a software compatibility issue that I wasn't catching until I did the swap.  I'm unsure how it could be caused by software when by simply changing the CPU and ONLY the CPU resolves the issue.
 
Any ideas/suggestions would be appreciated.
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    Posted January 31st, 2006 18:00

    I have had exactly the same experience with a number of dell precision 370 machines of the same spec (3.6 Ghz prcessor), tried a number of possible fixes without success. Would be interested to see any suggestions or assistance that may be offred. Frustrating to say the least.
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    Posted January 31st, 2006 19:00

    We have 24 3.6 370's and EVERY one exhibit this issue.  Have you figured out a way to reproduce it?  It seems as though it has some relation to Outlook and Internet Explorer, but I'm not sure what exactly.
     
    I called tech support today and after explaining the issue for a single service tag they agreed to replace the CPU (with another 3.6, maybe different stepping though?).  Then I told them I had 24 with the same problem.  That changed the tone a bit ;-)  But they still agreed to send out another 3.6 CPU and motherboard (?).  I should have it tomorrow and will install/test immediately.
     
    The tech had mentioned that it could just be the 3.6 runs hotter and the fan was bad, but I explained that there's as much likely of 24 fans being bad as 24 CPU's.  And I'm really not sure how much heat difference there is between the 3.4 and 3.6's.
     
    I'll update as I find out more.
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    Posted January 31st, 2006 19:00

    I don't think it's the heatsink as the 3.4 and 3.6 use the same device (from outward appearances anyway).  Hopefully if we can nail down the issue we can both get it resolved!
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    Posted January 31st, 2006 19:00

    The nine machines I am responsible for were reported to Dell. They sent a tech who replaced the heat sink in each of the machines, which has not resolved the problem.
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    Posted February 6th, 2006 15:00

    The problem is the Thermal Design Package of the P4 560.  At 115W, it produces way too much heat to remove effectively.  Drop back to the 550 or 650 and now it's 84W, which is way more manageable.

    I had the same issue in my XPS Gen 3.  Running games, the fans blew at full speed, and the room temp skyrocketed.  But when I retrograded to the 650, all was better.  The 560 was the culprit and in fact, the 560 is hard to come by these days.  Try getting Dell to replace the 560 with a 6xx processor and see if things get better.

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    Posted February 7th, 2006 18:00

    I have 2 Precision 380s one that I have had since December is ok, the one that turned up in the last 2 weeks keeps freezing exactly as you describe. The main difference between them is that one has 2gb the other 4gb memory. I’ve tried upgrading the video driver and the network driver. It does seem to be related to either explorer or outlook.

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    Posted February 7th, 2006 20:00

    The 380 is unlikely to have the same heat issue as the earlier systems.  Just for grins, try uninstalling Java and see if the freezes go away.  You can always reinstall Java if it's not the problem.
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    Posted February 8th, 2006 07:00

    I installed the machine that Simon Raven uses.  The first software I installed was oracle and it took me 3 attempts to get the software on although it did load finally.  The only java related sowftare I've installed is jdk and jboss and these were the last pieces of software I installed, therefore the problem was already there prior to the java installs.  The problem is intermitent and could happen within minutes of switching the pc on or it could take a few hours.
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    Posted April 10th, 2006 17:00

    we currently have the same problem...but our machine are 3.2GHz....freshly installed OS...what i did on my machine is stop using IE and installed Firefox...no problems after that.  another user installed IE7 and no problems after that.  I wonder what could be causing this
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    Posted April 11th, 2006 18:00

    anyone?