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Dr4100, TL2000 and Backup Exec

I'm trying to find info on the reduplication that happens when deduplicated data is transferred off of the DR4100.

We have a TL2000 tape library that we have been using for years, and we have been compressing backup to tape jobs. We recently got a DR4100, so I've started backing up all data to it using Backup Exec 2014 and OST. I've created duplicate jobs to get backups from the 4100 to tape at the end of each month. However, I can't get the data to compress going to tape. I know that data being backed up to the 4100 can't use BE compression (software or hardware) because the 4100 is doing it's own compression, but when the data is transferred off the 4100 it is reduplicated. Why can't BE compress the data that is coming off the 4100? Is BE still seeing the data as compressed when it making the transfer?

I've opened a ticket with Symantec, but they don't have an answer and I'm not sure they completely understand the question.

Thanks.

  • DELL-Sam L

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    Posted October 24th, 2014 09:00

    Hello trnc,

    So with backup exec it will compress any file that is not already compressed before it send the data to tape.  Now if the data has already been compressed then in most cases backup exec will not compress it a second time before sending the data to tape.  So in your case since the DR4100 is compressing the data backup exec will compress any file that is not compressed and then it will send the data to tape.

    Please let us know if you have any other questions.

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    Posted October 24th, 2014 11:00

    Hi,

    The data is rehydrated as it goes to tape so yes, it should be able to be compressed.  

    are you using software or hardware compression to the tape?

    Are you comparing the deduped byte count or the original backup byte count? you won’t see the same compression as you saw in  dedupe

    Does the tape indicate that the data is compressed or uncompressed?

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    Posted October 27th, 2014 07:00

    Thanks, lmosla. that was my understanding. I'm trying hardware compression - software compression was not an option for the duplicate job. I didn't expect the same compression on tape that we do for dedup, but we aren't getting any. For the jobs that go straight to tape, I typically see ratios of 1.4:1 or 1.5:1. the tape indicates no compression. 3 tapes fill up and wait for a 4th. The same source straight to tape fits on 2.

    Here is something from the scsi trace file I submitted in the Symantec ticket:

    OK, I ran the scsi trace using the first few seconds of the actual job that didn't compress. I'm attaching the relevant events, but the short story is:

    Event 1014 - Mode_Select6 shows the compression set

    Event 1015 - Mode_Sense6 shows no compression

    Event 1018 - Same as 1014

    Event 1019 - Same as 1015

    Even 1022 - Write starts

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    Posted October 27th, 2014 12:00

    Sent. Thanks.

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    Posted October 27th, 2014 12:00

    trnc can you send a PM to me with your Symantec case number so I can review the case notes?  thanks!