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October 26th, 2006 12:00

8 bit?

Is the 2407WFP a true 8-bit panel?
  • blunden2

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    Posted October 26th, 2006 13:00

    Yes. Only TN panels are 6bit.
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    Posted October 26th, 2006 13:00

    I was wondering because I had read a review on C/NET that said it was a fake 8bit. Really 6 + 2dither bit, so it has a tendency to band.
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    Posted October 26th, 2006 15:00

    Well, if that was the case I believe it would be world news. :D Honestly, I've never heard of 6 bit PVA/MVA and S-IPS and I'm quite sure it doesn't exist. It would be a different type of panel, probably with a different name.

    Also, I don't think 6bit+dithering would really cause banding. Then all TN panels would have it as they don't even get up to 16.7 million using dithering (the latest ones might, but most don't). There are so many things that could cause banding, errors in manufacturing of the panel, video card, video processing chips (like the one in 2007WFP that causes most banding in gaming and multimedia modes) and the other electronics the company choose for their display.

    Message Edited by blunden2 on 10-26-2006 06:08 PM

  • ArchAnge1

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    Posted October 26th, 2006 23:00

    Hmmm yes, it is a 8bit panel, but what about the electronics, do they cope with true 8but correctly.

    To add to that, DELL changed the panel code in A03's so we really dont have anyway of knowing exactly what panel we are being sold now.

    This question has been asked many time over, DELL made an official statment ages ago about this and they claim its a true 8bit panel, if the A03 comes with the same samsung s-pva then it is a true 8bit panel, but as i say we cant tell anymore. thanks dell for helping any extra confusion to propagate.

    And more, A03 have a 'soft dither' option that was not in the A00-A02, only 6bit panels have need for dithering as they cant display 16.7 million colours and only 16.1, hence dither is used to make up for the colours the 6bit cant display naturally. DELL australia have claimed that 2007wfp and 2407wfp both come with DELL's very own 6bit panel now. You feel safe buying from DELL ???

    I have a 6bit TN 5ms panel, its got worse banding than any dell i have seen, words and pictures cant describe how poor it is.

    Enjoy. :)
  • blunden2

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    Posted October 27th, 2006 00:00

    ArchAnge1: Why would they use an 8 bit panel and 6 bit electronics? As I've reported I see the "S-IPS"-effect posted everywhere. The dithering option might just be noice filters.
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    Posted October 27th, 2006 01:00

    How would i know? Save money? i didnt say they they were using the configuration you say there.
     
    Ive owned 2007wfp s-ips panel, there is no mistaking it for anything else, 2407wfp is s-pva as we all know and im sure you cant mistake that for a TN panel also, as i said in my post, how bad the 6bit chimei w/s i have is, worse than any dell i have seen.
     
    Soft dither? yes, it leaves us all guessing!
    DELL put it in A03 but officially the only change made was a correction to a language in the A03 OSD. So they lied there to us IMO.
     
    The point im trying to make with previous post is, now dell has changed panel code, it gives them the chance to slip in 6bit panels and most people would not know the difference, but the minority that could tell the difference will soon make dell very sorry they even thought about it. :D
     
    Id love to buy and test (then send back) a 2407 A03 myself, but i cant get in my county :D Used A02 tho :D
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    Posted October 27th, 2006 01:00

    :)
    yes i talk about the 2407wfp having the OSD language correction.
     
    I made a new topic asking ChrisM if he can get the official changes to 2007wfp A03 listed :)
     
    It really makes me wonder why DELL changed the panel code in all A03's, there must be a logical reason for it, unfortunatly i cant think of any positve reasons :(
  • blunden2

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    Posted October 27th, 2006 01:00

    I doubt they would be that stupid. In that case they would just switch panels to 6 bit ones (ie. TN).

    Yes, I know the panels used in 2007WFP and 2407WFP.

    I think the thing that makes it a little confusing is that you talk about both 2007WFP and 2407WFP without saying which one you talk about. As I understand, the language correction was only stated for the 2407WFP. Is that correct?

    If they put in 6 bit panels I think people would notice, especially since people noticed the change from S-IPS to S-PVA. I agree though that the new codes let's them do much more shady stuff with it.
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    Posted October 27th, 2006 01:00

    Not 100% sure about 2 versions of s-ips but i think there is.
     
    2407wfp, they could swap panels to the AUO panel used in the 24" BenQ if they wanted to, both sammy and auo panels are s-pva i think.
     
    Also chimei/CMV will be bringing out a 24" TN sooner or later.
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    Posted October 27th, 2006 01:00

    I think they changed because they want to hide the panel lottery as suggested by others. They probably hope that even if they have heard about it they will just see that code and give up, if they are not as picky as some. Also, is there 2 versions of the S-IPS panel too? If so, then hiding that might be a reason as well.