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August 15th, 2006 17:00

Precision 690 slow

I've recently bought a Dell Precision Workstation 690 with the following configuration:
 
- Dual Xeon 5130 (2GHz, FSB 1333MHz, 4MB)
- 2GB DDR2 533 FBD Memory (2 x 1GB)
- 2 x 146GB (15k rpm) SAS HARD DISK (wiht Raid 0 on integrated Dell SAS Controller 5/iR)
- 16X DVD+/-RW Drive
- 16X DVD-ROM Drive
- ATI Fire GL V7200 256 MB
- Windows XP Professional SP2
 
My problem is that the system seems to be more slow than it should be also in simple task like explore windows folders in local resorces.
I tried to reinstall OS but this has not fixed the problem.
I hope to recive some advice and/or info to try solving my problem.
Thank you in advance.
 
Gibi
  • Chipstone

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    Posted August 15th, 2006 21:00

    This is the case where hardware is more advanced that software.

    The technology is available at the processor level, but is not recognized or even utilized at the software level.

    The new generation of dual core Xeon’s (5000 & 5100 series) are engineered with features not supported by the current Windows operating systems, to include the X64 versions.

    One of the great benefits of past Xeons & Windows was the NetBurst & Hyper threading technology: Windows XP was compiled to fully utilize Hyper threading, creating virtual CPU’s.

    The Xeon 5000 series was left with hyper threading, but not the 5100 series:
    The 5000 series L2 caches is independently accessed by each dual core (2x2MB).
    The 5100’s aggregate 4MB cache is shared by the dual cores:

    Windows XP HAL will require a major patch, maybe with the release of SP3 in order to recognize, and hopefully utilize more of the benefits dual-cores with shares L2 cache.

    Vista’s re-designed kernel will dynamically recognize the various permutations contained in the current, and future Xeons dual, and multi cores processors.

    We have clients that purchased the 690 systems with the 5100 & 5000 Xeon series, and found the 5000 series more responsive under Windows XP. I believe partly due to the legacy hyper threading technology left on the 5000, and L2 cache independent to each dual core.

    Windows Server 2003 SP2 (x32 & x64), configured as a workstation operating system, have produced the best performance to date when tested with these new Xeon dual-cores.
  • HDTechnical

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    Posted August 16th, 2006 16:00

    I've found the same in terms of performance.  We're running a 690 with XP 32 bit and two SAS drives in a mirrored array.
     
    I found the drives seem to be the bottleneck.  Anytime I have something being written to the drives, EVERYTHING slows to a crawl.  Dell has no solution for me.
     
    We're actually on our second system.  We started with 64 bit, and found it to be slow.  Reformated with 32 bit to see how that was - horrible.  Dell replaced it, and this system isn't any better.  We had a benchmark program that was either faulty with this architecture, or something is truly up with the system.  Write speeds couldn't even make it onto the chart!
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    Posted August 16th, 2006 20:00

    Thank you Chipstone for your info. I agree with you that only new OS (I hope MS Vista) will completely utilize new hardware in Precision 690. What do you think about article 896256 in Microsoft KB?
     
    Bye ;-)
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    Posted August 16th, 2006 21:00

    We've got two sata drives that are connected to the sas5ir controller in a mirrored pair.
     
    I did see that other post and replied.  Unfort., pulling one drive out of the array and connecting it directly to the SATA controller isn't an option.  I have an escalation tech at Dell trying to reproduce the problem I'm having to see if we can find a firmware issue or something related.
  • Chipstone

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    Posted August 16th, 2006 21:00

    You may want to install one of the best CPU software I’ve worked with.

    RightMark RM Clock Utility 2.1

    http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml

    This latest edition contains enhancements to create power management profiles based on dual-cores CPU technology: The Dual Cores section allows you to set the software to reset the CPU to the Max, Average or Sum of the aggregate dual cores speed.

    The fix described on Microsoft 896256 article is realy a hard coded registry value, and does not address several issues with dual cores: Try the RM Clock Utility 2.1 with various settings and see if you find a combination that creates sustainable improvement. The software can load up at boot, or manually selected.

    Unless you have a PCI-X SAS RAID card, you are better off utilizing the SAS interface on the motherboard. If PERC PCI RAID cards are now SAS compliant make sure they are also PCI-X compliant. PERC Card usually transfers at the old 66 MHz speed interface; severely handicapping any benefits of RAIDS with SAS or SCSI. The PCI-X bus is capable of 133 MHz transfer rates.

    Any SCSI/SAS RAID setup will need to be configured with a PCI-X, otherwise you will only see aggregate transfer rates of 65-70MB/sec. PCI-X will yield, depending on the RAID configuration between 120-160MB/sec.

    Also check with the Raid management software any play with the write-thru and write-back commands to determine the best transfer rates.
  • gibi72

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    Posted August 16th, 2006 21:00

    Thank you HDTechnical for your info. You confirm my doubt that the bottleneck is due to disk subsystem. Have you read post named "Precision 690 - initially too slow, but sloved"? To try to understand more could you tell me if your SAS drives are connected to Dell SAS 5/iR integrated controller or to PERC controller.
     
    Bye ;-)
  • HDTechnical

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    Posted August 16th, 2006 22:00

    The SAS5ir card is a PCI-X.  Can't speak to how they have it configured in here though.  I also haven't found anywhere to adjust cache settings, nothing in the card's bios, nothing in the gui. . .
  • ntheno

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    Posted August 22nd, 2006 16:00

    Make sure you go into the RAID management software and make sure that write caching is turned on for each Hard drive to get the best performance. For RAID 1 the default cache settings are off which will result in lower performance (but better data integrity).

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    Posted August 22nd, 2006 20:00

    Any ideas where the cache settings are?  I'm been through the management GUI, as well as the array bios, and can't find these settings anywhere.
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    Posted August 23rd, 2006 14:00

    From Start->Programs open Dell SAS RAID Storage Manager->StartupUI. Login with your current windows login name and password. Select the Logical tab in the first window and then select the virtual disk to highlight it. Then select the operations tab on the right hand window. Then toggle the Set Virtual Disk Properties button and select Enable on the Disk Cache Policy. If you don't have an array defined you can select the Physical disk tab, highlight a drive and then select the Operations tab and select the Enable Write Cache button.