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May 10th, 2009 11:00

Celerra backups

We are using a Celerra NS40 gateway for exporting Oracle luns to Linux hosts. For the purposes of tape backups, our dba wants to run snaps and then have them backed up to tape. According to EMC, the Celerra can not automatically export the snap. We tested it manually as far as exporting and mounting the snap, but I don' t want to have to manually run the export every time we run a backup. I have also been looking at NDMP and we use Arcserve as our backup software. It looks like NDMP would back up the file systems directly from the Celerra. Is this true? If anyone has a suggestion for the best way to achieve this, I would greatly appreciate it. Any and all suggestions welcome.
  • urle

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    Posted May 10th, 2009 13:00

    Just to understand the scenario: the Oracle LUNs are iSCSI-LUNs or are they files in a filesystem (NFS or CIFS). If that are LUNs from the backend Clariion the Celerra won't see them.
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    Posted May 10th, 2009 15:00

    Since this is an appliance, is setting up a cron job allowed and does it break the support agreement with EMC? EMC said you couldn't set up the Celerra to automatically export file systems. When looking on the device, you don't see the standard setup for NFS exports. Showmount does not show anything.
  • Rainer_EMC

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    Posted May 10th, 2009 15:00

    If its NFS then one way would be to create the snap with a known name like backup and just tell you backup app to backup from .ckpt/backup

    If its just the export that bothers you, you could just setup a cron job on the control station to try to export it a couple of times a day
    I would be cleaner though to run it from a script on the Oracle database server that puts Oracle in hot backup mode, ssh's into Celerra to create the snapshot and exports it, starts the backup and then deletes the snapshot

    you could also use NDMP - you just would have to figure out a way to synchronize snapshot creation and backup

    Have a look at the white papers and technotes on Powerlink - I think there was one about Oracle snapshot and backups with Celerra
  • Eclipsys1

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    Posted May 10th, 2009 15:00

    They are exported through NFS to the Linux hosts.
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    Posted May 10th, 2009 16:00

    Since this is an appliance, is setting up a cron job
    allowed and does it break the support agreement with
    EMC?


    Running custom scripts on the Control Station does not break your maintenance agreement. Two things to keep in mind about custom scripting:

    1. EMC does not support or maintain your scripts.
    2. Make sure you know what your scripts are doing. You don't want your scripts to break anything either.

    When looking on
    the device, you don't see the standard setup for NFS
    exports. Showmount does not show anything.


    Celerra exports are done slightly differently, but rest assured, our NFS implementation follows the actual standard very closely. You may not see anything from a showmount perspective because you may not have permission to see anything. If you don't already have them, I would strongly suggest downloading the Celerra manuals and checking out the manual entitled "Configuring NFS on EMC Celerra." You can download the entire Documentation CD off of Powerlink. The browse path is:

    Home > Support > Technical Documentation and Advisories > Hardware/Platforms Documentation > Celerra Network Server > General Reference

    The Documentation CD is the third choice down in the menu, entitled "Celerra Network Server Documentation CD."
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    Posted May 10th, 2009 16:00

    Thank you for your suggestions.

    My real goal is to be able to run the snaps off to tape without having to export them to a host with a backup agent. I don't see where I can export the mounted snap. They don't do exports like you normally would on a Unix system. I thought NDMP would allow me a way to backup the file systems directly from the Celerra and send it to a tape library. Do you know if that's possible? Thanks in advance.
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    Posted May 10th, 2009 16:00

    Thank you for your suggestions.

    My real goal is to be able to run the snaps off to
    tape without having to export them to a host with a
    backup agent. I don't see where I can export the
    mounted snap. They don't do exports like you normally
    would on a Unix system.


    As I mentioned in my previous reply, while the mechanism for actually producing a NFS export is slightly different, it is an export that does follow the NFS standard.

    I thought NDMP would allow me
    a way to backup the file systems directly from the
    Celerra and send it to a tape library. Do you know if
    that's possible? Thanks in advance.


    You can indeed use Celerra in the way you are asking. Your backup agent would send control messages to the Data Mover over the network, and then the Data Mover would spool the filesystem off to a direct-attached tape library, no NFS exporting necessary. It can even use automatic Celerra snapshots, back them up, and delete them when it's finished. The same Celerra Network Server Documentation CD contains a manual entitled "Configuring NDMP Backups on EMC Celerra" which should help you get your backups set up correctly.
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    Posted May 11th, 2009 13:00

    Can you tell me where the checkpoints are stored on the Celerra? What is the path?
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    Posted May 14th, 2009 12:00

    I think they are just mounted with the name of the checkpoint

    just create one and then do a server_mount

    take a look at these two white papers attached - while they are about 11G and DNFS the backup method applies to any Oracle version

    I order to backup directly from the Celerra using NDMP you would have to try if NDMP and your backup agent allows
    you to specify a checkpoint as the file system to be backed.
    Theoretically it should but it needs to be tested

    There is also a NDMP with an integrated checkpoint - but that would be taken immediately before the backup starts and not synchronized with Oracle.

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